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A goth person can be many things.
Most goths tend to be thoughtful and interesting. They tend to define themselves as different with no interest in the mainstream, and also enjoy the heavier side of music.
Many of the so called "goths" in here have polluted this site with their slanted views and thoughts.
They believe that people who listen to Nu Metal are posers. This is untrue.
The fact that they scream "faggoth" at people who enjoy their own types of music are more poser-like than the accused.
Goth is more of a state of mind, a state of thought. Goths will support what they want to support, and listen what they want to listen to. Their values go deeper than those of people in the mainstream, and they generally are very sociable.
True goths have their own taste and way of life. The so called "true goths" bash them because they enjoy music that they dont like.
There is really no such thing as a goth poser. All poser images are based on opinion only, and are very biased.
There are many types of goths, with many different outlooks on life. Some are depressed, some are happy, but most are very cerebral and deep people.
Goths enjoy heavy music in general, such as death or black metal. Some lighter genres are permitted, and should even be celebrated, because they have their own taste.
Goths should never shape their taste to the mainstream just because other people do, and they are the ones who are true posers. You will be able to spot them very quickly.
Some goths may support gay rights, some may not, but among the goth circles, opinions are welcomed. The point of being goth is having indiviuality.
I enjoy the soft music of A Perfect Circle, and I also enjoy the rough death metal of Cannibal Corpse.
Poser goth: Dude, you like Slipknot!?!? youre a fucking poser!!!
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A spin-off of the punk genre founded in Britain in the late 70's. It was popularized in the 80's for a brief time before settling back in the underground. The American sister-genre of Goth Rock is called Deathrock.
As a person, a Goth is an avid listener of Goth rock and its associated genres (deathrock, batcave, darkwave, post-punk)
False ideas about Goth:
"Goths are such because they like the darker side of things."
"Goth is about individuality."
"Marilyn Manson is Goth."
"Goth is about wearing all black."
"Goth is about expressing yourself."
"Goth is about worshiping Satan."
"Goth is about metal."
"Bands like Slipknot, Flyleaf, Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, Evanescence etc. are Goth."
GOTH/DEATHROCK BANDS (a brief listing)
.45 Grave
13th Chime
1919
Acid Bats
All Gone Dead
Bauhaus
Christian Death
Cinema Strange
Corpus Delicti
the Cure
Darlings' Cabinet of Sundry Horror
Deadchovsky
Eat Your Make-Up
HOLY COW
the Horrors
Kommunity FK
*early* London After Midnight
the Naked and the Dead
Peter Murphy
Quidam
Red Lipstick Death
Red Lorrry Yellow Lorry
Scarlet's Remains
Screams for Tina
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Siouxsie Sioux
Sisters of Mercy
Southern Death Cult
Theatre of Ice (yes, Theatre)
Tragic Black
Undying Legacy
Voodoo Church
Zombie Zex
person 1: "I listen to Bauhaus and Sisters of Mercy!!! I'm Goth!!"
person 2: "No, you're a fag. Nightwish is Goth!!"
Person 2 is in the wrong.
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A label that most people puts on another who wears dark,(preferably black), clothes. Unfortunately, it is a label on someone's exterior and not how they are like.
I am not exactly sure how that label came to be, but I suppose every kind of style needs labeling so society can judge everyone by their clothing.
I have to say a few words about this. My whole family started to question me because of what I was wearing. . And my uncle thought I was goth. So, my sadistic uncle got a laptop computer out and looked up the definition of:
Emo - A topic that we were talking about when someone thought I was that.
Preppy Goth - My mom wants me to be a prep, but she would really rather settle for this. Umm. . No.
Goth - Main topic of conversation.
I thought I would include that because that is most of the reason why I am defining this, and an example of how lame it is,(I find it a priviledge to have the courage to be different, but it is very difficult when closed minded people such as my family shut you out, give you a hard time,label you, or try to change you), to not wear something from Abercrombie and Fitch or a store that doesn't have the *in* stuff. People tend to over react about them. .
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goth: Sans history lesson, goths fall into two categories:
1. People, usually quiet misfits, who are often quite intelligent and creative. They tend to focus on the darker side of life, particularly human nature.
2. more common High school/college students who, by dressing in black and listening to heavy metal, attempt to make sure everyone around them is aware of how cool and individualistic they are. That their individualism centers on dressing, thinking, and acting like everyone else in the clique doesn't seem to bother them. Can often be found writing bad psuedo-suicidal poetry in wirebound notebooks. They usually drop the facade as soon as they realize that no one around them, including their parents, is shocked any more.
1. "Hey, see the goth over there? Go ask to see her artwork. It's really cool."
2. "Ohmigod, did you, like, read the new Anne Rice book? I am, like, so glad I'm a goth!"
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Right, I'm readin all the negative definitions on here about goths and most of them are probably by people who have never held a real conversation with one.
Am I a goth? No I don't consider myself one. The fact that I wear a leather trench, madfish boots and prominently black, does that make me a Goth? I am not a Satanist though, in fact my faith is a little similar to Christianity, but loosley. I have friends from all kinds of tastes - friends that are into the whole r'n'b + hiphop, peple who you could call neds, goths, emo, punk, and these so called 'normals'.
I am a very happy person and do not want to kill myself and have no intention of ever cutting myself, and neither do my friends. Yes I do think about death but only because, in actual fact, it is rather interesting because we have no idea what's going to happen. You can have your own opinion of course but no one really knows. It's fun to come up with theories, and it's a good source of conversation.
If you were to find me on a saturday in Glasgow and to have a conversation or hang about with me and my friends who get called 'goths' on a regular basis, you would probably find our company more enjoyable than the one you keep just now, not because I'm being arrogant or anything, but we don't care what you look like or what you're into, as long as you open minded and friendly.
So, basically, a goth to me is someone into a culture of sorts. A culture of romance for some, immense music and complete hyperness, but also with intelligent conversation every now and then (in my case more often than not courtesy of the almighty bryan). Most goths I know are not depressed or suicidal, but if you were to go up ask them, then it will iritate, so that's probably why you got a mouthfull or a growler. There's nothing wrong with goths, or gothic romanticism or anything like that. And anyone can get depressed, not just goths.
Goths hangin bout together: *enter laughing, joking and
randomness here*
Neds turn up: "Aw look at that mahn. Pure mad depressed
goffs int it mahn."
Goths: *now annoyed* Moronic tube
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There are two kinds of goth:
1) Usually a very creative and philosophical person. They are fairly intelligent, listen to many kinds of music although it is rarely packaged, plastic pop. If they do then it is because they want to rather than due to a need to fit in. These people are themselves, they are real. Not all of them are Satanists, they are not suicidal, murderous, or even scary as long as you don't fear what is different. They can be fun and happy and aren't ashamed to laugh at themselves. Goths do not appreciate being labeled. They usually wear a good amount of black, but have their own unique styles and wear color sometimes. They often have a dark disposition. Some people call me a goth, but I just consider myself different :)
2) Someone who just wants to rebel, or thinks that being goth is cool. They listen to bands like Slipknot and Korn, thinking that they are "soooo hardcore n' goffik". No offence to Marilyn Manson, but many of these posers will listen to him too. They are over emotional and whiny and just miss the entire idea of what a goth really is.
Real Goth: Hey man, how is it going?
Fake Goth: The world is crying and I want to kill myself and skin my family!! And I'm just so goth! So gothic I could just hang myself!!!
RG: *Looks around uncomfortably* well... don't do that... there is too much to live for... hey, maybe you should see a school counselor or something.
FG: No! They don't understand me, no one does! Only Fred Durst! Only he! *Charges away to bathroom*
RG: Poor guy. Wait, Fred Durst? What the?! Sigh. *goes back to reading poetry and hanging out with friends*
Note: I had no intentions of making fun of suicidal people, having been in that state myself a few years ago. I merely wanted to mock the fake goths who act suicidal for attention.
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*Very long and detailed post, covered all facts of the modern goth sub-culture*
After the demise of the pioneering goths such as Bauhaus listeners, the social niche called "goth" has MANY different definitions and misconceptions used throughout different age groups, social standing, location, etc. The common misconceptions in the United States (could be similar in other countries, but seeing as I haven't lived anywhere else I can't comment for sure) about "goths" is that they dress in all black, sulk constantly, and only think about death, suicide, religion, and the cliché... vampires, these people are NOT goth. They are adolescent punks that think that if they act all depressed they'll get the attention they thrive on. True goths that are the way they are because it is their true personality and think about topics like death and the struggle that a vampire living among humans would experience if they existed in modern times because they instill deep thought. Discussing topics like this are more than a way to pass the time, they're a way for many modern goths to think deeply and candidly about where they stand in the world, and if they are being true to what they believe in without changing their unique personality for the sake of others. Most gothic people are quite intelligent, if not in a "school" sense then in a "philosophical" sense and though they may have a relatively dark sense of humor or media, it does mean that all goths obsess about the end of someone's time on this earth. When an individual spends a high percentage of their life thinking without distraction, death, religion, and afterlife is a major topic. *THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT GOTHS ARE SUICIDAL OR DEPRESSED* Many people think that someone who listens to satanic metal and wears pentagrams all over as accessories are gothic, while a goth may listen to black metal and other genres like it, listening to it does not make you goth; another misconception that leads many people to group together dozens of sub-cultures into "goth". Goths are most commonly very in touch with their emotions and aren't afraid to express them in whatever way they see fit. This differs from modern emo or hardcore metal culture because that is comprised of kids that think all they feel is pain and depression followed by a "true love" based upon hormone driven infatuation, a goth will acknowledge all emotion be it happiness, grief, or the very rare but very beautiful love with open arms. Just living their lives free of fear that they may be shunned among their peers for being an intellectual individual is what a true goth will seek in their life. There are constant stories of "goth" high-schoolers taking their own lives because of a dismal outlook that, "no one understands how they feel," because they're too caught up in the moment that they don't acknowledge that the grief will pass and many, many people before them went through the exact same issues. This isn't to disrespect people that have done this, if i knew every-single one of their names I would pay tribute to them regularly because many of them did in fact just need someone to really listen to them instead of just saying, "It's just teenage angst, you'll calm down soon enough," but know I'm divulging way off topic, this is simply to say that said people are most likely not a true goth and self-labelled themselves as such because that's what they thought goth was. Goths also do not have to wear all black clothes or clothing you don't see commonly to be part of the goth culture like corsets for women or tight fitting clothes for effeminate men; though many do, it is not what makes them goth. Many goths listen to all sorts of music (maybe even a couple pop songs with lyrics that are relevant to their lives at the end of a good day) and there are plenty of goths that will wear bright colors and dress in a way that is (relatively) unique to their personality. Many people don't recognize these people as "goth" because of stereotypes that they have grown up with. A true goth will have an open mind to new ideas, music, literature and is all for discussing them regularly with a select group of friends and acquaintances that they associate with not for any sense of belonging or popularity, but because they too have open minds to new ideas and don't judge people on their outer appearance. A popular defining trait of a true goth is that they do not suddenly assosciate with the "mall goths" that patrol the neighborhood shopping center dressed completely over the top as to grab attention; these are nothing but immature followers that think that the attention they get when people stare will dressing over the top will make them happy. A true goth will not fret over any popularity or social status and will never change themselves for the sake of being well-liked among their peers; again, this is not to say that goths are total loners, a true goth will enjoy close friends just as much as anyone, they just may have stricter stipulations when choosing to spend time with them. Final misconception I have time to soliloquize, goths are not freaks in any way shape or form, most goths are normal people that just take interest in non-mainstream media and culture, goths are not all establishment-hating anarchists. A true goth will most often refrain from judging someone based on appearance and the clique they assosciate, they have all experienced what its like to be judged by appearance and are not quick to shun someone just because they fall into a different social niche. Final moral to whoever read this entire post, if you aren't already a true goth or have a goth friend, try meeting one by ignoring their appearance and forming opinions about them based solely on your compatibility as friends or just casual acquaintances. I hope this cleared up any misconceptions about the modern goth sub-culture. I'm not saying goths are perfect, or strange, "wacky", angry, or freaks. I am writing this because of all the misunderstanding being thrown around and people getting these stereotyped, dismal impressions of modern gothic culture.
-Fifteen year old girl with scars on her wrists that only wears black every day=Poser
-Young man with an "interesting" but not necessarily over the top outfit and haircut of primarily black, white, and some vibrant colors such as blue and purple, and will most like be relatively clean cut (Men may look rather effeminate, which many can take as a positive)=From first glance, most likely a true to his heart modern goth!
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